![]() ![]() The only uses I myself see are draining walls with high HP, being annoying, baton passing chains or forcing switches in stall team with Spikes/SR/ToxicSpikes. I'm wondering what everyone else thinks and whether I'm getting the wrong end of the stick :D The analysis seems to put speed above all when it comes to sub-seeders. However, Take A Breather is intended to clear Leech Seed, that part just didn't make it. However, flaws come with the lack of speed and the fact that a stall war could break out. For Bosses in particular, make sure that they have multiple hit bars (so one tick might only be 1/20th or 1/30th of HP), make sure that (like with burn and poison), they only take the damage once per round, feel free to clear one or two statuses on Stagger. I myself prefer my sub-seeders to be nice and bulky, so they can take hits if leech seed misses, and they can take a few hits to make the seeds actually useful. So, now that we've taken a look at them, we can hopefully move onto the main discussion point:ĭoes it have to be fast? Should it be bulky? Should a sub-seeder do things other than sub seed, or concentrate on its main goal? Sunflora doesn't really fit into one of these categories. Having the sub up is usually a necessity.ĮVs have to be split between HP, Atk and Speed.Īnd then we have sunflora, who was mentioned as a "novelty" sub-seeder. Sub-Seed sets aren't necessarily one-trick-ponies. They can do stuff after the opponant is seeded. Pros: They aren't useless if the opponant can't be seeded. (Yeah, I couldn't think of a condensed name) Despite this, I think they can be categorised into the following groups: ![]() Most of them seem to fall into different categories of usage and tier. Generation I, The user steals 1/16 of the targets max HP (or more if used in conjunction with Toxic) until either Pokemon uses Haze or the target is. It's relatively hard to find a common link between these and why they have been mentioned as sub-seeders. Jumpluff, sunflora, celebi, sceptile, breloom, roserade, cacturne, torterra, carnivine, abomasnow, Ludicolo, tangrowth and shaymin have sub-seed mentioned in the analysis. Venusaur, exeggutor, meganium, jumpluff, sunflora, celebi, sceptile, ludicolo, shiftry, breloom, roserade, cacturne, tropius, torterra, cherrim, carnivine, abomasnow, tangrowth, shaymin, smeargle. įirst off, if we take a look at all the pokes who can use sub-seed, we have: 7 8 Egg moves Bullet Seed Gravity Leech Seed Rock. The combination of Toxic and Leech Seed does not affect, among other things, Victreebel and Ferrothorn. Related Links All Competitive Builds for Ranked Battle Competitive Guides for Pokemon Sword and Shield. It is generally seen as an 'annoyer' tactic, forcing switches, making certain pokemon last longer, or killing Annoying, High-HP Walls. Pokemon with Magic Guard are affected by both moves, but are not damaged by them (and in Leech Seeds case, the Magic Guard Pokemons opponent is not healed). Poison healers will instead gain hp, magic guard will no sell it. Toxic does not work on pokemon with immunity, poison types, steel types, teams who have a safeguard up, or those that magic bounce it back at you. Depending on one's planned build, there could be some greatly useful moves via one of these less pondered upon methods.So, for those who may not know, a sub-seeder is a pokemon who uses both the moves "Substitute" and "Leech Seed" to work together. The combination of Toxic and Leech Seed does not affect, among other things, Victreebel and Ferrothorn. ![]() In addition to learning moves by leveling up as well as by TM or TR, Bulbasaur can learn moves depending on who their parents are, if they get tutored, and if one is transferred from a previous generation. ![]()
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